Monday, July 13, 2015

Bloomberg View Editorial Board — Greece Should Just Quit


The US elite join the Brits in dissing the deal.
Enough is enough: Greece should leave the euro system.
The terms forced on Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras last weekend have little chance of being accepted, carried out and sustained by this Greek government or its successors. Greece's parliament may accept them this week because it thinks the alternative is worse -- and in the short term, that may be true. In the long term, a deal imposed under extreme duress, and bitterly resented by most Greeks, won't succeed.
Not long ago, a better outcomewas imaginable. It would have required compromise on both sides. Greece would have recognized its need to undertake far-reaching economic reforms and to rebuild trust with its creditors. Europe would have responded with fresh, conditional assistance -- sufficient to support the Greek economy through a painful transition.
Such a compact is no longer possible. Trust has collapsed to such a point that Greece is being told it must become an EU colony, not a sovereign state. It is being forced into a deal it will resent for years, and to which it will feel no sense of obligation. Under these circumstances, leaving is the best available choice.….
The subtext is a recommendation for Greece to leave the EZ with and understanding with the Anglo-Americans will cut a favorable deal that precludes the need to turn to BRICS for the support that Europe is refusing.

Bloomberg View
Greece Should Just Quit
The Editors

See also Clive Crook, Europe Owns This Disaster
Germany isn't straightforwardly nationalist in outlook. It wants further "rule-based integration" in Europe -- but it wants the rules to be German, and tightly enforced.
Exactly the same as the US with respect to global rules, as President Obama clearly stated.

Best paragraph:
Finally, the crisis has demonstrated the EU's impressive incapacity for government. The sheer dysfunction of recent months has been an education, to me at least. Pathological indecision has been institutionalized. As the deal was announced, Pierre Moscovici, the European Commissioner for economic and financial affairs, said it showed how important it was to increase the EU's political integration. In a way, of course, he's right -- but what sane voter anywhere in the EU will any longer trust this thrashing doom-loop machine with more power?
The clown show.

See this, too:

Leonid Bershidsky, Want the Euro? Be More Like the Germans
It's hard to imagine a country that has not lost a war giving up its sovereignty to the extent that Tsipras has promised.
Greece lost the economic, financial and political war. If Greece were not a NATO member it would be risking a military action.
The agreement has, however, demonstrated that a common currency like the euro has a low tolerance for democracy's wilder extremes.
Neoliberalism and democracy are antithetical.

He then cites the Allied Occupation post-WWII but omits to mention the Nazi occupation of Greece during the war. Of course, this is what Europeans and especially Greeks will be reminded of more than the Allied Occupation.
Tsipras did not want an alliance with the Germans, but he has now agreed to let them and other northern Europeans control Greek ministries, veto bills and oversee a holding company set up to monetize -- through selloffs and otherwise -- Greece's most valuable state assets. The country will be under outside supervision as tight as that which Germany was forced to accept after it lost World War II.
The lesson for others.
The message for other euro countries is that if they want to enjoy the trade, convenience and interest-rate benefits of the common currency, they cannot afford to elect the far left and far right. The German-led currency union will fight back and make it painful. If Podemos wins in Spain, or if the Finns Party triumphs in Finland, they will need to take their countries out of the euro area to escape Greece's fate.
Those on the extreme right get it: They are all anti-euro.
Not too difficult to see where this is headed.

Also

Eric Beinhocker, Europe's Insane Deal With Greece
If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, the leaders of Europe and Greece are insane.
This is kind of humorous. The Americans and British actually do regard the Continentals as slightly off.

7 comments:

mike norman said...

Bloomberg advocating "reforms" of course, after the Greek people have been fleeced to the max and there is really nothing left. Bloomberg LLP has an editorial/journalistic staff that is really fucking so deep in their ideological garbage.

Calgacus said...

Leonid Bershidsky:It's hard to imagine a country that has not lost a war giving up its sovereignty to the extent that Tsipras has promised.

Tom: Greece lost the economic, financial and political war. If Greece were not a NATO member it would be risking a military action.

Horrifyingly out of touch with the reality of modern international affairs. NATO has nothing to do with it. Austria, Sweden, Switzerland aren't in NATO & would not be risking military action if they were in Greece's predicament. Greece is at ZERO risk of military action = war crime. The truly important treaty and organization in the modern world is not the EU, not NATO, but the UN. Of course people laugh and belittle the UN. Today, that is pretty much how you know something is important and real - it is ridiculed.

Once upon a time, long ago, such military action would be a risk. But now Germany wants Greece out of its roach motel, and is willing to give humanitarian aid for the transition. The world does change.

Tom Hickey said...

What I meant was the Western countries have often used military force on recalcitrant colonies and countries they regard as de facto colonies. Reagan's invasion of Granada was a blatant demonstration of it as well as G. W. H. Bush's invasion of Panama. The US has covertly used military force on many other countries and continues to do so.

Greece is hardly safe. While no Western country will actually invade Greece, if push comes to shove, there will be a military coup if that is the only way that TPTB can control the situation.

We are also going to see how effective the UN is moving forward. Russia and China are complaining that they've been had in voting for resolutions for Western intervention and that is now over.

Calgacus said...

A military coup is more possible, but still very low probability. Anybody else but the US acting is zero probability - nobody else has the power - and there is no sign that the US would do anything. Greece is quite safe.
Western countries have often used military force on recalcitrant colonies and countries they regard as de facto colonies.
Greece is part of Europe, it isn't some third world country that none of the elites ever heard of. Nobody has used force in (Western) Europe that way since WWII. (OK, except for the USSR in Eastern Europe, but that shows the power imbalance necessary.) The only angle is taking advantage of an internal struggle in Greece - which there is no sign of.

The main power that TPTB have is convincing people they have power they don't have. So people don't take advantage of the powers they do have - like doing a Grexit. Did TPTB invade Argentina or Venezuela or the rest of Latin America or the rest of the world which is gradually but inexorably breaking free of TPTB domination?

Tom Hickey said...

A military coup is more possible, but still very low probability. Anybody else but the US acting is zero probability - nobody else has the power - and there is no sign that the US would do anything. Greece is quite safe.

Grexit is off the table and Tusk has already said that if Greece cuts lose from Europe it can fend for its in the global arena, implying that Greece would no longer get Western support in its longstanding feud with Turkey over borders.

Does anyone seriously think that the US would permit Greece to leave NATO and join the BRICS? Join BRICS and remains a member of NATO? I don't think so.

There are others ways of handling this but if all else fails, there will be a military coup.

Nobody has used force in (Western) Europe that way since WWII. (OK, except for the USSR in Eastern Europe, but that shows the power imbalance necessary.)

Is Greece part of Western Europe? Are the Balkans part of Western Europe?


The only angle is taking advantage of an internal struggle in Greece - which there is no sign of

This is what the clandestine services specialize in. Greece is a pretty deeply divided country, and the usual playbook should work.

Calgacus said...

Yugoslavia was divided by internal, geographic, ethnic, language, religious etc divisions, exploited by the outside, that were much bigger than Greece's. There's no postwar example of this kind of thing except the USSR in Eastern Europe. The main thing at issue now is the EU, the EZ, not NATO. Once it gets out of the EZ, a united enough Greece could probably leave NATO if it felt like it. France did for a while. Grexit is neither off the table nor inevitable.

Tom Hickey said...

Once it gets out of the EZ, a united enough Greece could probably leave NATO if it felt like it.

That is what I greatly doubt unless conditions change between the US and Rusina.